why mushclient 4.81 block the output message? lost package??

Posted by Andos on Wed 25 Apr 2012 05:02 AM — 26 posts, 86,444 views.

Andos Wed 25 Apr 2012 05:02 AM #0

I'd upgraded the mushclient to 4.81, it works good.
But occasionally, the output window blocked, can't
receive the msg from mud. I'd check that the connection
is active. any input command can't receive echo message
from mud. And it will be good in a few minutes.
1. I haven't check the 'omit from output' option, and
in general, it works well.
2. The network is good, i can't see any message in output window when i send a command such as "hi". but another char in the same room can see the action.

what's wrong?

thank you..

Nick Gammon Australia Forum Administrator Wed 25 Apr 2012 07:30 AM #1

This sounds vaguely familiar. What operating system are you using?

Andos Wed 25 Apr 2012 11:38 AM #2

win 7 enterprise, x64

Nick Gammon Australia Forum Administrator Thu 26 Apr 2012 04:55 AM #3

Please provide a summary of your world configuration:

Either use the scripting Immediate window (Ctrl+I) to execute: Debug ("summary")
or
Install the Summary plugin (see "Summary" feature) and type "summary"

Then copy the resulting information from the output window, and paste into a Forum message.

You need version 4.55 onwards of MUSHclient to do this.

Gesslar Thu 26 Apr 2012 11:39 AM #4

Andos said:

2. The network is good, i can't see any message in output window when i send a command such as "hi". but another char in the same room can see the action.

what's wrong?

thank you..

I have this problem too, but I didn't suspect the client. Do you have to disconnect/reconnect to get it to work again? I have to do this a couple times a night.

Andos Thu 26 Apr 2012 12:16 PM #5


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Compiled: Jan  3 2012.
Time now: 星期四, 四月 26, 2012, 8:13 下午
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Andos Thu 26 Apr 2012 12:20 PM #6

Gesslar said:

Andos said:

2. The network is good, i can't see any message in output window when i send a command such as "hi". but another char in the same room can see the action.

what's wrong?

thank you..

I have this problem too, but I didn't suspect the client. Do you have to disconnect/reconnect to get it to work again? I have to do this a couple times a night.

Yes, disconnect and reconnect will get it to work again. or wait a minute, it will work again too.

Andos Sat 28 Apr 2012 03:34 AM #7

Through observation, I found that output window show part of a line when blocking. Usually a few minutes, will continue to show remaining messages. Basically can eliminate network reason for the delay. The commands can send to server during blocking.

Andos Sat 28 Apr 2012 03:49 AM #8

Gesslar said:

Andos said:

2. The network is good, i can't see any message in output window when i send a command such as "hi". but another char in the same room can see the action.

what's wrong?

thank you..

I have this problem too, but I didn't suspect the client. Do you have to disconnect/reconnect to get it to work again? I have to do this a couple times a night.

I suspect the client because it's not caused by the lag of server, and the connection is active too.
Just as you said, I have to do this a coule times a night too.
But I haven't meet the same problem when I use other client such as zmud, ytin.

Nick Gammon Australia Forum Administrator Sun 29 Apr 2012 02:09 AM #9

Are you using UTF-8?

Maybe some bad UTF8 sequences are causing lines not to be shown.

Fiendish USA Global Moderator Sun 29 Apr 2012 09:00 PM #10

Gesslar and Andos, what muds do you connect to where you have this problem? I'd like to try connecting to them.

Andos Wed 02 May 2012 03:15 AM #11

Nick Gammon said:

Are you using UTF-8?
Maybe some bad UTF8 sequences are causing lines not to be shown.

yes, I'm playing chinese mud which is gb code.
but the left char will display after a few minutes.

Fiendish said:

Gesslar and Andos, what muds do you connect to where you have this problem? I'd like to try connecting to them.

You may try dx.mudol.cn 7777 or 61.164.87.153 7777
:), welcome to tsrj..

Fiendish USA Global Moderator Wed 02 May 2012 04:44 AM #12

Andos said:

Nick Gammon said:

Are you using UTF-8?
Maybe some bad UTF8 sequences are causing lines not to be shown.

yes, I'm playing chinese mud which is gb code.
but the left char will display after a few minutes.

My understanding is that GB is not UTF8, so you should not have the UTF8 output box checked. I suspect that this is not your problem, though, as you would see nothing useful with this set incorrectly.

I am trying to connect now. I don't know if I'll be able to see anything but it's worth trying.

Andos Wed 02 May 2012 05:46 AM #13

Fiendish said:

My understanding is that GB is not UTF8, so you should not have the UTF8 output box checked. I suspect that this is not your problem, though, as you would see nothing useful with this set incorrectly.

I am trying to connect now. I don't know if I'll be able to see anything but it's worth trying.

I haven't checked the UTF8 output box.
And it seems ok after I use the mcclient.

Fiendish USA Global Moderator Wed 02 May 2012 12:22 PM #14

mcclient?

Andos Wed 02 May 2012 12:37 PM #15

Fiendish said:

mcclient?

You may refer to http://www.sined.co.uk/sined/general/mccp.htm for detail

Fiendish USA Global Moderator Wed 02 May 2012 11:43 PM #16

Interesting. Are you saying that the problem happens if using MUSHclient's internal MCCP handling but does not happen if connecting through this other MCCP proxy program?

Andos Thu 03 May 2012 03:58 PM #17

Fiendish said:

Interesting. Are you saying that the problem happens if using MUSHclient's internal MCCP handling but does not happen if connecting through this other MCCP proxy program?

MUSHClient's internal MCCP is not active because my mud does not support the MCCP.
Mcclient works well even when the MCCP is not supported by the server.
BTW, it hasn't happened since using mcclient.

Fiendish USA Global Moderator Fri 04 May 2012 03:48 AM #18

What's the point of using mcclient if there's no mccp?

Andos Fri 04 May 2012 06:02 AM #19

Fiendish said:

What's the point of using mcclient if there's no mccp?

It just dispatch the message when there's no mccp.

Fiendish USA Global Moderator Sat 05 May 2012 01:17 AM #20

Then I don't think I can agree with your statement earlier

Quote:
Basically can eliminate network reason for the delay.

I don't think you can. It seems to me like you're describing a server that has delays sending messages sometimes and that circumstance only makes it look like mcclient works differently.

I guess I would try to use a program like WireShark to verify that the bits coming into mcclient are the same bits coming out of it and into MUSHclient. I see no reason why using it would alter MUSHclient's behavior if it's not doing anything.

Andos Mon 07 May 2012 12:35 AM #21

Fiendish said:

Then I don't think I can agree with your statement earlier

Quote:
Basically can eliminate network reason for the delay.

I don't exactly know whether is server delayed. But I realized the fact is that the other char in the same room could see the response when the blocking char do some action such as say hi.The blocking char can't see response when he send a command such as hi, and in the same time, another char in the same room can see the action.

Fiendish USA Global Moderator Mon 07 May 2012 12:59 AM #22

Well...
Any time you send a command there are three data transfers.
1) From you to the server.
2) From the server back to you.
3) From the server to everyone else.

Since (2) and (3) are different activities in the server I don't see why one could not easily work even if the other is broken. Just as easily the situation could be reversed. What would you say if you sent a command and you saw the output immediately but someone else in the room did not see it for 30 seconds? You would say the other person is lagging or something, right? Or it could be a bug in the server or some other problem entirely. That is why I don't think you can automatically say that there is no network or server problem just because someone else saw your commands.

Now you say that mcclient does not do anything, just acts as passthrough, for this data. If it doesn't do anything, how can it make the problem go away?

Andos Mon 07 May 2012 05:38 AM #23

Thank you for your reply.

Fiendish said:

What would you say if you sent a command and you saw the output immediately but someone else in the room did not see it for 30 seconds? You would say the other person is lagging or something, right? Or it could be a bug in the server or some other problem entirely. That is why I don't think you can automatically say that there is no network or server problem just because someone else saw your commands.

The two char is in my two world of the same mushclient process. So I guest that it's not caused by the network delay.
What I happened is that one char send command, but can't see the echo. Another char in the same room can see the echo. The two char are in the same muchclient process.

Fiendish said:

Now you say that mcclient does not do anything, just acts as passthrough, for this data. If it doesn't do anything, how can it make the problem go away?

Sorry, I mean that mcclient does not compress or decompress in my case. Mcclient may collect the data from server and send to mushclient line by line. and it means mushclient may has bug when recieve parts of lines, right?
It block the msg for a few munites, which is obviously out of the network delay time.

I hope that mushclient will be better and better. And it's a good chance to catch the bug.

Nick Gammon Australia Forum Administrator Mon 07 May 2012 06:47 AM #24

Can you try turning compression off?

Fiendish USA Global Moderator Mon 07 May 2012 11:25 PM #25

Andos said:

The two char is in my two world of the same mushclient process. So I guest that it's not caused by the network delay.

Ah, I see. I didn't realize that detail. I think it could still be a bug with the server sending differently to different players though. I'm not suggesting that this is true, just that still seems possible.

Andos said:

Sorry, I mean that mcclient does not compress or decompress in my case. Mcclient may collect the data from server and send to mushclient line by line. and it means mushclient may has bug when recieve parts of lines, right?

Yes, this is quite possible. I'm not really sure what happens with servers that send parts of lines.

Quote:
I hope that mushclient will be better and better. And it's a good chance to catch the bug.

I agree.